This removes a tremendous amount of work that would otherwise be left up to the extractor. I have a couple of POF's, including the Revolution carbine, and they've been excellent. Patrick Sweeney gives some history on this interesting pistol. Have they been reliable? Cartridges like the .224 Valkyrie, 6mm ARC, 6.5mm Grendel, 6.8x43mm Rem SPC, 300 AAC Blackout and 350 Legend add more punch to the AR-15. The same few tend to get echoed around, so it's hard to tell how many there are. ["guid"]=> *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. Email us at FirearmsNews@Outdoorsg.com. string(0) "" The POF Rogue has been around a bit now, but you almost never hear about it vs. a traditional AR-10 build. I don't know of any production rifles in 308 Winchester with a 1-8" twist. and such a rifle would have to weigh much more than 5.9 pounds, right? string(0) "" ["post_name"]=> I have seen the bad reviews and that is honestly the biggest reason to consider the sig. string(3) "raw" Australian Outbacks 150-grain Swift Scirocco II BTS load also averaged 2.3 inches and Winchesters 120-grain PDX1 Defender came in at 2.5 inches. ["post_parent"]=> ["comment_count"]=> ["post_password"]=> int(0) awaiting my cgs hyperion then determining if a gas block is needed for my rogueif so I'm trying a SLR first since it's much lighter than the pof brand. This single-stage, non-adjustable,drop-in triggerboasts a solid 4.5-pound pull weight and is pre-assembled in Hardcoat Anodized aluminum housing (complete with rubber urethane feet) for immediate competition, hunting, and tactical applications right out of the box. The DPM Systems is actually a configurable design where the end-user can easily change the weights and springs to tailor the buffers performance to the individual rifle. This rifle offers a ton of bang for the buck, and while its price is still no chump change, the Rogue does not compare unfavorably to other .308 Win.-chambered battle rifles on the market todayfew of which are anywhere near as easy to tote in the field. string(0) "" For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. ["post_date"]=> ["post_excerpt"]=> I had a Rogue for a while, it was very nearly AR-15 sized and shot well for it's rediculously light weight (5.9lb?). string(19) "2022-08-03 16:29:50" Thanks for that input gman. The first time you pick up a 6.8-pound Revolution rifle it surprises you with how compact and handy it is. A great deal of engineering went into making an AR-15 capable of firing the 7.62x51mm NATO.. The most accurate load was Federals 185-grain Juggernaut which consistently put three out of five rounds into one inch and averaged two inches at 2,436 fps. The single-stage, flat-blade trigger on our sample Rogue broke right at 4 lbs., with zero take-up or overtravel and an impressively crisp break. Having built/upgraded 10 AR systems Ive learned the hard way. Give them a penny, and the guys here will spend your last dollar. ["post_status"]=> int(0) The ADM UIC-10A chambered in .308 Winchester provides a compact platform for long range precision shooting. Even FNs 8-pound SCAR 17S, which is generally considered very light for a 7.62x51mm NATO semi-auto is rotund in comparison. This unit feels good in the hand while reducing weight off the front of the rifle. ["post_status"]=> From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. string(0) "" The POF Rouge, P415 and Renegade jump to the front of the line for the new offerings. Accuracy from the bench was good for an ultralight .308 Win gas gun. i also noticed that the rail is shorter.mine came with a 15 incher. POF REVOLUTION DI SPECIFICATIONS Type: Direct impingement, semiautomatic Caliber: 7.62 NATO Capacity: 10, 20 rds. So, I experimented with different buffers. ["post_content_filtered"]=> Take into account the radiation properties of aluminum compared to traditional steel and you have 17 times more heat dissipation than a standard AR. string(0) "" So sheer accuracy was not my main goal. string(6) "closed" Founded by Frank . ["post_mime_type"]=> I'm happy with my DPMS GIIs but I agree, small frames are the future of AR10s. Here is what he had to say, David, our Revolution is an AR15/M16 upper and lower receiver using a 7.62x51mm NATO magazine well. Years in Business: 21. POF Rogue, P415 Edge & Renegade+ Add OD Green Cerakote string(0) "" ["post_excerpt"]=> string(0) "" string(15) "phoenix-9mm-sbr" A new addition to the Honey Badger line is a 115 grain 10 mm round. ["post_modified_gmt"]=> I had a ton of photos from that event. I don't know the weight but its fun to shoot. Online shopping from a great selection of discounted 308 Semi-Auto Rifles by POF at Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore. This is a solid option for most shooters. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. The upper assembly with a free-floating monolithic handguard slides on and interfaces. int(0) Texas Gulf Coast/Kansas. int(128147) Sleek and rugged mounting system, lightweight, and QD mounts in all the right places 2 per side. } Despite its light weight, the Rogue proved very comfortable to shoot from the bench. 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My brother has a couple Sig and Springfield rifles and I would choose an Aero build over them without question. You must log in or register to reply here. He much preferred the more powerful and more common .308 Win. ["guid"]=> } ["post_password"]=> ["pinged"]=> And the DI Revolution was already super lightweight. string(6) "closed" string(0) "" ["post_title"]=> I am thinking of zeroing to 135 grain winchester hollow points if it all proves compatible. The Rogue features a forged receiver set, stainless steel barrel, KeyLock DI BCG, ambidextrous selector, multiple QD sling attachment points, and Renegade rail & oversized heatsink barrel nut, all topped off with our Micro B muzzle brake. string(19) "2022-12-28 14:22:26" #10. I love seeing the platforms continue to evolve. Patriot Ordnance Factory 01662 Rogue Direct Impingement 308 Win,7.62x51mm NATO 16.50' 20+1 Black Anodized 6 Position MFT Stock. I'm now suppressed and the way to go with any AR is a flow-through design. It is very light weight which is why I bought it. ["post_type"]=> 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. ["post_type"]=> 1. With the bolt carrier assembly being so light, I was curious as to how heavy the buffer itself was. string(19) "2022-05-09 16:18:38" According to a recent Federal Emergency Management Agency report, fewer people are "prepping" today compared to previous years. . Anybody have experience with the POF Rogue? The pros and cons. ["comment_count"]=> One major issue I have with the POF, you can't use any upper other than thiers. In comparison, a standard Bravo Company 5.56mm AR-15 bolt carrier assembly weighs 11.6 ounces. ["post_title"]=> Its my go-to for hog hunting. This is due to a combination of things including the muzzle brake, how the gas system is set up, lightweight reciprocating parts and the action spring. Its numerous innovations and well-executed. Dr. Dabbs tells us all about the weapons used in the his personal favorite war movie, Kelly's Heroes. Drop in trigger upgarde for the Rogue - POF-USA It does have a LOT of proprietary parts, including upper, lower, bolt carrier group, buffer tube, etc. This features two small parts on top and five strike prongs. string(7) "firearm" The trigger is good and broke at just under 4.5 pounds, but its not my favorite. ["pinged"]=> POF Rogue Fail - YouTube Big thumbs up. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. string(52) "https://pof-usa.com/?post_type=firearm&p=128149" Got the rogue, can't wait to get rid of it. Weight was reduced by switching to lighter forged receivers, a slimmer barrel contour, shorter handguard, standard rather than adjustable gas block, different muzzle device and elimination of ambidextrous controls and a few tweaks here and there. ["comment_status"]=> Oldest M2 Browning .50-Caliber MG Still in Service? ["post_type"]=> I sent it back for them to look at it and they opened up the gas port slightly - What I noticed with with Dictator is that many of the positions had no effect. string(17) "renegade-plus-sbr" Handling POF-USA's Revolution gives you the answer. This particular Rogue isnt as accurate as the Revolution I previously tested, but I really like it. While our test sample did turn out to weigh a bit more than the sub-6-lb. Accuracy through lightweight rifles can often sufferboth due to their thinner barrels heating up much more quickly and due to the added difficulty of shooting them wellyet the Rogue performed superbly in formal accuracy testing. Please Wait. .more .more We reimagined. Specs (16-inch variant, via Ruger) Barrel Length: 16.1 inches Overall Length: 34-to-37.25 inches depending on stock position Length of pull: 11-to-14.25 inches Height: 7.2 inches from grip bottom. I got a chance to shoot it a few weeks ago and it is super nice. Now, POF-USA is back and they have reduced the weight to an ultralight 5.9 pounds with their new .308 Win Rogue. POF USA Revolution DI: Redefining the AR-10 Platform In addition Blacks Hills Ammunition also launched a 6mm ARC round and a 6.5 PRC. Should be able to try it this week. Only approx 500 rounds through it. ["to_ping"]=> "OD green has been a long-requested . ["guid"]=> Owing to POFs vision of the rifle as a sporting arm, the Rogue employs a faster 1:8" twist rate than the 1:10" twist of the Revolution models that came before it, for use with heavier hunting bullets, and during our testing the weightier two loads did, indeed, outperform the lighter one by a small margin. ["post_author"]=> One new winner* is announced every week! Its better now. I have wanted to get my hands on a Rogue since this model was introduced. new. POF touts its Modular Railed Receiver (M.R.R) as crucial for accuracy. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. string(0) "" string(7) "firearm" You get a number of improvements with the Revolution and quality control seems to be far better. ["post_status"]=> ["post_content_filtered"]=> Made from 6061-T6 aluminum with a laser etched POF-USA logo, the quick disconnect sling swivel receiver extension plate is compatible with both mil-spec and commercial carbine receiver extensions. However, POF-USA does offer their Dictator adjustable gas block as an option on the Rogue. The Rouges chamber features POF-USAs E dual extraction system. ["post_date"]=> It's heavy, but an accurate shooter. string(7) "publish" int(0) Ordered a POF Rogue pistol in March, got it in August - took it to AR15 Barrels to install the dictator adjustable gas block, he also removed picatinny off the top, bottom front and cut the hand guard flush. I plan to put a DA FH on it so I can mount a Sandman-K for times we need cans to shoot. ["comment_status"]=> Add another 8oz to whatever they publish. string(0) "" } I have the 16 version. I'm 56 and I've owned 100s of guns through my life, however I've never owned an AR. ["ID"]=> string(11) "Phoenix 9MM" ["post_title"]=> string(15) "Phoenix 9MM SBR" No issues, one of the softest shooting .308s I've tried. Three quick hits and I switched to the LaRue at 500 yards. revolution-di-sbrobject(WP_Post)#7943 (24) { ["filter"]=> string(0) "" ["post_type"]=> Technical Support - POF-USA - Tips, Recommendations, Trouble Shooting POF-USA 4.5lb Drop-In Match Grade Trigger - Now included with . This features good-looking relief cuts and deletes the forward assist to reduce weight. An adjustable gas block and heavy buffer mostly fixes the reliability issues. Good looking choices & good post @Talyn, it's always nice to see new offerings come to market. ["to_ping"]=> ["comment_count"]=> Made from premium-grade, vegetable-tanned leather, the Burdette Custom Holsters Detective SA-35 holster is a custom outside-the-waistband (OWB) model for the Springfield Armory SA-35 semi-automatic pistol. How did they drop a whole pound? It's better now. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Put a quick 60 rounds through her, mixed Prvi ball and Federal 150 gr. The Rogue doesn't have the ambidextrous features or the nitate coated fluted barrel. ["ID"]=> The finishes are both corrosion resistant and introduce lubricous characteristics to the action. int(0) string(6) "closed" Had a 12.7 revolution, zero issues. Take-up and overtravel were both nil, and the break was about as crisp as we could ask for. (collapsed), 38 in. My review rifle featured their Patriot Brown rather than traditional black finish. ["guid"]=> The rifles muzzle is threaded 5/8x24 TPI and capped with POFs Micro B muzzle brake. string(0) "" POF P-308 14'5" barrel. ["post_title"]=> Another change that allowed the company to drop both cost and weight on the mid-length, direct-impingement Rogue is the use of a non-adjustable gas block, as opposed to the Revolution DIs nine-position Dictator gas block (the sample shown here has a Dictator, stock Rogues do not). The sig may be a pig in lipstick as well given the specs but, reviews are solid. What kind of accuracy did you get out of yours? string(17) "Revolution PD SBR" string(1) "0" B&T USA 16-inch SPC9 Carbine: New for 2022. ["comment_count"]=> I had one of the first ones, I put a dictator on it before I even shot it - the only problem I had is with DAG ammo. With Aero you get great quality receivers and can go with a high quality trigger and adjustable gas from the start. int(128149) string(19) "2022-12-28 22:30:32" p415-edge-sbrobject(WP_Post)#7948 (24) { This is important as heat is the enemy of auto-loading firearms. Use the weight savings as an opportunity to add one. Ruger takes on POF | The Armory Life Forum string(6) "closed" I really like the combo of light weight and a .308 round for a patrol rifle, but havent seen very many reviews. ["to_ping"]=> ["post_date"]=> They also offer a wide variety of build kits, including various Cerakote options that are available as limited runs. Is the Rogue perfect? I put an ACOG on minejust a handy rifle that points very well. Damn. ["post_excerpt"]=> I have a mix of large frame lowers that I could conceivably mate to various uppers, but I don't expect to find loose large frame uppers in the wild going forward. string(3) "raw" The POF-USA Rogue also utilizes the company's patented and proprietary E2 Dual-Extraction Technology chamber that floats the fired cartridge case right out of the gun, thus increasing reliability. This slim design is approximately 11 inches in length and features M-LOK mounting slots on three sides. <p>The Rogue features POF's E2 dual-extraction technology consists of four small channels cut into the walls of the chamber allowing a small amount of gas pressure to push against the neck of the spent case. Switching over to 7075 aluminum forgings rather than its predecessors machined billet receivers, while likewise doing away with the forward assist, also greatly decreased the amount of machining necessary to manufacture the Rogue, a major reason why the new rifle costs $800 less than the Revolution DI. Please have your dealer email a copy of their FFL to FFL@rainierarms.com or fax it to 253-218-2998, referencing your name and order number. int(0) I have now put plenty of rounds through the Rogue with ZERO issues. Search. string(7) "firearm" int(128148) The buffer detent now doubles as a lock that inhibits the buffer tube from rotating and becoming loose under adverse conditions. string(9) "Rogue SBR" An ambidextrous charging handle makes running the bolt from either side a snap. ["ID"]=> ["ID"]=> int(129246) Build it once. The Headrest Safe is the ultimate in discreet storage for your valuables (gun, money, credit cards, jewelry, medicines). Threaded into the rear of the lower receiver is an aluminum anti-tilt receiver extension. string(19) "2021-01-04 16:42:44" These ranged in weight from 120 to 185 grains and would show what the Rogue is capable of. There are a lot of good videos on youtube about the Revolution. I like the design of the 716 more than the rogue. I too would heartily recommend the Rogue. (collapsed); 15.5 in. ["pinged"]=> This is probably the best gun purchase I have made in 30 years! ["ID"]=> ["post_content_filtered"]=> ["menu_order"]=> As has been stated it is a well thought out rifle. POF Revolution Pistol Review - Guns and Ammo The rifle has an overall length of just 33.2 inches with the stock collapsed. POF ROGUE Vs SIG 716 tread | Sniper's Hide Forum The Federal load exhibited a noticeable 4+1 grouping where it plunked four shots into an inch or less and then tossed one markedly opening the group. ["post_name"]=> Built on a billet aluminum, fully ambidextrous upper and lower receiver set, the UIC-10A is the Compact Semi-Automatic Sniper System of the UIC line. int(0) I said fuck it and just made the purchase because I absolutely love my POF Renegade +. How was the recoil? string(4) "3120" Give your top dollar and then we'll find a rifle. Gun Review: POF-USA Renegade + Rifle - Gun Digest The new Cerakote finishes bump POF variants up to eight different color options. string(19) "2022-08-03 09:29:50" Marlin Model 1895 Trapper Lever-Action Rifle: First Look. string(0) "" Most of the shots are rapid fire and immediate mag changes. ["post_name"]=> Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. string(0) "" string(1) "0" ["ping_status"]=> ["ping_status"]=> string(7) "firearm" This consists of four small channels cut into the walls of the chamber. Of the two, the Sig but I'd look around a little more. string(7) "publish" Upgraded features that POF incorporates into this part include a roller cam pin instead of the more traditional rectangular cam pin, reducing friction and stress on the part, and a stainless-steel gas key dovetailed into the carrier to provide added rigidity and to minimize carrier tilt. The result is a sub 6 pound .308 rifle packed with proprietary and patented innovations. ["ping_status"]=> Labradar, digital scale, Super 1050, Lee turret, the works. ["guid"]=> ["post_date"]=> string(19) "2023-01-09 16:27:30" Also before the panic I invested in a top down, full reloading setup, with plenty of primers-powder-bullets for at least a year. int(0) ["menu_order"]=> Well I talked my self out of the Revolution and am going to get the Rogue instead, $1700 vrs $2450. rogue-sbrobject(WP_Post)#7946 (24) { Tuning the gas system can reduce felt recoil and make for a smoother operating rifle. ["ID"]=> Here it is below my 16" 6.5 Grendel for scale, plenty of neg reviews on the rogue so buyer beware. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Patriot Ordnance Factory, Inc. Sign up for our newsletter and receive exciting updates like new firearms being released! string(0) "" ["post_status"]=> Rifling is a very fast 1:8 twist, which is optimized for heavier/longer hunting and match loads. string(6) "closed" Took some technique modification to keep from doubling the light-sh trigger while shooting from the bench for me. I would sit back and wait to see how it holds up.alot of testing has taken place for military application and there must be some good reasons it was decided to use a beefier frame for bigger bullets and more powder.. Gear & Gadgets on the Texas Fishing and Outdoors Show, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. Looking to get an ar in 308, and I have been look really hard at the Pod rogue and the sig 716i tread. After finishing up at the bench I loaded up some 25- and 20-round Magpul magazines and ran some drills at 25, 50, 75 and 100 yards. string(0) "" ["post_modified"]=> If you DO absolutely need a large frame 308 I would go with an Aero M5 build (and anticipate some hiccups) or an ADM. Having several Aero builds, Colt, Geissele, and ADM I can honestly state that the ADM is worth every penny especially on non-uniform large frame AR10 systems. Next, I aimed in at my 11x20 inch LaRue at 450 yards. The Rogue features a forged receiver set, stainless steel barrel, KeyLock DI BCG, ambidextrous selector, multiple QD sling attachment points, and Renegade rail & oversized heatsink barrel nut, all topped off with our Micro B muzzle brake. . (extended) Weight: 6 lbs., 13 oz. POF-USA knocked down the AR-10/AR-15 wall a few years back when they introduced their Revolution line. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. Thought I would throw out my new updates to my POF Rogue. All Rights Reserved. ["to_ping"]=> I had to send it back to POF for a new barrel because the accuracy was horrible. I agree that it's not a cheap gun, but I would buy it again in a second. It's s just the stock POF rogue hand guard. No experience with 308 POFs, but the 556 guns Ive owned worked fine for their limited amount of range use. To be blunt, all three of these are boat anchors in comparison to the 5.9-pound Rogue. string(0) "" . I'll be shooting it with a can. I was able to pick one up from the first release. ["comment_count"]=> string(4) "3120" ["menu_order"]=> ["post_content"]=> string(0) "" string(19) "2022-12-28 14:30:32" string(0) "" They're known in the industry as one of the biggest quality manufacturers of lowers and uppers for other AR makers. string(19) "2022-01-03 20:40:34" string(3) "raw" string(0) "" This allows you to tailor the rifle to certain loads, or to turn the gas pressure down for use with a sound suppressor.