Well Is DNA the most reliable means we have of identifying whether or not what we saw is actually a mountain lion. A lot of times. So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. An adult male bobcat can reach four feet in length and 35 to 40 pounds. Japanese knotweed and phragmites are the bane of my existence on our road. Thank you. Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. This is why tangible evidence is so important. The young adult male was killed by an SUV on the Wilbur Cross Parkway in Milford, Connecticut on June 11, 2011. of Energy & Environmental Protection. Morse founded Keeping Track in the belief that getting citizens interested and engaged in wildlife will have the knock-on effect of getting them interested and engaged in how land-use decisions affect wild populationsand might provide the impetus for conservation efforts. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. And they were using all the habitat. ghost, Re(3): didnt win the pwrball. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. He coined the term landscape of fear to describe the relationship between predator and prey in the wild. Big cats used to be kept as pets in the U.K . And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. Get up-to-the-minute news sent straight to your device. Mountain lions are solitary and . Give today. Patrick's reporting has appeared on NPR's Morning Edition, Here & Now, and All Things Considered. A few years later, though, the scat was retested with DNA analysis and found to be canid, rather than feline, in origin. We have people eating dinner in their kitchen, they hear a noise, all of a sudden a bear walks in, so they run into their bedroom to get away from the bear, while the bears out ransacking their refrigerator. They don't know the direction they're going. October 24, 2010. in News World. This page is located more than 3 levels deep within a topic. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Sam Evans-Brown: What he would have stopped as well I think is way way that the reason that mountain lion kept moving is because he wasn't finding anybody. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. Fear for others and those two polarizing opinions on the situation is what I believe brings out mystique and Sam you know I take kind of a long view on this. The Great Divide | Are There Mountain Lions in New England? Watch. Well within there. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. At 6:20 on the morning of Aug. 20, Cheri Mazerall had just let her cat out the back door when she saw what she describes as a "beautiful, large beige/yellow" animal with "large feet and a long tail" come over her . They run to about 25 mph. And I I have this great text history of New Hampshire game and fir bears and I think by Helen Silver who used to work for fish and game and she sort of I kind eyes this animal in one of the quotes from 1892 stating that the catamaran was the most ferocious of all the wild beasts of New Hampshire his great size strength and agility of movement together with his formidable weapons rendered him the terror both of man and beast. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. Here are few facts you should know about bats and a few myths to forget. Its OK, he told me. Think You Saw A Mountain Lion in N.H.? - New Hampshire Public Radio Tell us your story. McEnroe: Scientifically, this is a case where absence of evidence is kind of evidence of absence, right? Hear the full interview: Megafauna mania: our obsession with mountain lions and other large predators. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. John you're on the air. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board's Message Board What color was it? Please limit your input to 500 characters. And you know it's rather interesting because certainly there are those you as a case of mistaken identity or they wanted to see something that perhaps they actually didn't. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. Wildlife biologist breaks down mountain lion sightings in CT | New I mean that so many of them are false sightings we. The feedback will only be used for improving the website. The cat is dead. Records suggest that cash bounties for cougar kills were relatively common in the late 1700s and early 1800s; in the Adirondacks, a trapper named Thomas Meacham was credited with 77 cougar kills. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Morse, 70, comports herself in a friendly and no-nonsense manner. Mistaken reports of mountain lions in Massachusetts are most commonly Bobcats. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. And Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. But it also sort of instills that fear, a healthy fear of humans and bears. We even had a sighting someone here at DEEP, in my office, was convinced they saw a mountain lion. But perhaps an even larger portion is the product of his enduring faith in the men and womanloggers, hunters, trapperswhose vocations and avocations have instilled in them a deep familiarity with wild places and the creatures who inhabit them. New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board, Re(1): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct, Re(2): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct, Re(3): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct, Re(4): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct, Re(5): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct, didnt win the pwrball. Caller: And the more I thought about it the color of it it was definitely not a bobcat. Within six weeks, he continued, I was getting off the plane in Jackson Hole for a national mountain lion conference. 50 feet above the most. by BCR. Adult males can be around 8 feet in length and weigh between 130 and 150 pounds, while adult females can be 7 feet long and weigh between 65 and 90 pounds. The big cat on the ground before him, motionless, yet somehow still embodying that particular feline litheness, as if, with the flick of its tail, it might bound to its feet and disappear into the woods. I appreciated Ottmann and Bettys confidence and commitment, but here I was, poking through thorny thickets behind a bar, trailing a bleeding man whose devotion to proving the presence of cougars was beginning to seem like a quixotic quest with no end. Mountain lion sightings in New Hampshire have increased along with the bobcat population, said Tate. Were arrogant if we think were the only species that makes decisions based on fear, he told me when I called him at his home in Oregon. Coyotes have been mistaken for mountain lions. It is also called Poor mans Weatherglass because it needs a sunny day to open (similar to chicory, another plant, only much larger with blue flowers that were brought here from Europe). Bats have no interest in your hair! Sue Morse: First and foremost if you have color or if you could see details of color look at the front of the face around the Pumas muzzle the muzzle itself is pure white. Listeners give us a call if you'd like. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. Women control our lives. Put bluntly, Morse does not believe that New England is home to cougars. ), or someones coworkers mother had seen one from the back porch of a summer camp back in 07 or maybe 08, and shed tried to get a picture but this was before she got her first iPhone, and by the time shed retrieved her camera from the living room, the cat was long gone. Betty was quiet, and I wondered if even he, a man who does not doubt the presence of these cats in our midst and who himself claims multiple sightings, thought Ottmann was exaggerating. Rick van de Poll: Yes. New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board's Message Board Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. Mountain lion or cat running across. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. If these animals are not in the habitat, what we see is an overabundance of herbivores., The ecologist John Laundre, who has spent 35 years studying cougars, concurs. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. Its not my call. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. The deer dont eat the exotics, but they eat the competitors. He said matter of fact I do. You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. Sam what's the incentive for the government to deny allegedly. Peter Biello: Ok weird question but do they make good pets. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. And he said, This is where the mountain lion crossed. We walked in and there were fresh bobcat tracks in there. He knew it was only a matter of time. Because he lives among them, Harrigan understands that no one knows the woods better. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. The Spatz and Sue Ottmann referred to are Christopher Spatz and Sue Morse, two of the better-known and arguably most experienced cougar skeptics in the Northeast. They're just moving around freely. When evidence is submitted, MassWildlife carefully reviews the evidence in its entirety and attempts to verify the report. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. Peter Biello: We got an e-mail question from Robert in Epsom who asks are sightings or encounters with these big cats less dangerous here where they're passing through than out west where those same mountain lines might be establishing territory Rick. The animal was shot in the town of Barnard on Thanksgiving Day 1881 by a man named Alexander Crowell. The scientific name for the catamount is Puma concolor. Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. Ive seen more field evidence in a couple of hours tracking out west than Ive seen in 100 years on the East Coast, he said. Many people do not realize how large a grown Bobcat is. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. Sighting of this animal also occurred in Michigan and New York. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. It had rained previously. Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. As livestock farming came to dominate the landscape, pressure on the big cats slowly mounted on two fronts: The number of farmers wanting them dead was increasing, while the rapid transition from forest to farmland meant their habitat was shrinking. None of the rumors are true. Hawley:Were sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place right now. Please do not include personal or contact information. I met with Morse at her home in Jericho. If you dont think cougars are coming to the East, think again, she said, leaning forward for emphasis. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. Is there something particularly hospitable about New Hampshire Forests that make them want to come here. Pat do they typically just move around a lot. Here's a look at 8 commonly found in the Berkshires. A 140-pound male mountain lion was hit by a car and killed in 2011 in Milford, Connecticut. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. Mountain lions became scarce in the East after a bounty system wiped out most predatory animals. Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. Re (1): Alleged Athol MA picture - By Cici September 9, 2016 at 12:41:30 PM. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. 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Massachusetts and several other New England states have bear hunting, or harvest, seasons, which proponents say help control populations. There were pine cones on window sills, a well-used hatchet and a variety of animal figurines on display, and, near the television, a stack of videos including. Its closest living relative is the cheetah. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. I'll send it to you. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. It's good to talk to you. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. There have been only two caseswhere evidence supports the presence of a mountain lion in Massachusetts. The females are where its at, she said. Mountain lions live in the state. Thanks very much. This isnt to say she believes none of these animals has stepped foot on New England soil over the past century. Sam Evans-Brown: Pretty well I was going to say it is nice to hear about how to identify the facial markings but probably I'd being a to identify the tracks is probably the more useful useful tool that one can have in their tool box. MassWildlife receives dozens of reportsa year, most are simplyreportsor sightings with no evidence. Have there been others reporting this big cat recently? Right. He wore red suspenders and a baseball cap. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. ml central ma. Learn more about the two confirmed reports of mountain lions in Massachusetts atmass.gov/dfw/mt-lions. A: I should have asked a turkey hunter! So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. It was really muscular looking cat I mean is that like a side angle to me. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal. I tracked cats and all the western states. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. The tails gotta be there. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. Upstate residents are spotting mountain lions, but experts disagree So one thing I'll add. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. To date, Keeping Track has helped conserve 40,000 acres in 12 states and inQuebec. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. Please let us know how we can improve this page. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. So they're scary. Because they are.. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. He has also reported for the Marketplace Morning Report. No that's a little bit outside the range. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. Sheep Found Skinned Sparks Fears of 'New Indigenous Species' But people in the region are posting like crazy online to the New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. Well just that I have evidence and it was not it was denied by fishing game at the time and I you know there's I don't need to prove to anybody that I saw one just like some of your callers said okay. I have seen them fly and do so especially into trees when in danger, either real or imagined. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. On a mountain lion that died on a Connecticut highway. Not a good idea I guess.. And you know all that. In April 1997, tracker John McCarter found scat near a beaver carcass at the Quabbin Reservation. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. In 1994, scat collected after a sighting in Craftsbury, Vermont, was found to contain cougar hair (the animals are prone to ingesting their hair while grooming), and the commissioner of the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department circulated a memo with the following line: It is possible that cougars of unknown origin may be breeding to a limited extent in Vermont. How big was the animal? Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. Mountain Lions Spotted Spotted in Woodbridge, CT - NECN ml central ma. These are the slides, included in a slide show on mountain lion sightings in New Hampshire. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. The unheralded hero of Apollo John Hubble the man who knew the way to the moon. There are no mountain lions in Connecticut, so why do we keep seeing them? An official website of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, This page, Are there mountain lions in Massachusetts?, is. Re (2): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct - By Ryan January 31, 2016 at 11:16:51 PM. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. The next week, on June 11, the cat was hit and killed by an SUV on the Wilbur Cross Parkway in Milford. This is part of the cougar business. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. Im gonna get hammered for it, he sighed. John. Do we have native species that could have exhibited this type of behavior leaving leaving a deer carcass up in a tree. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. You need to understand that every biologist that works for the state has a duty to deny mountain lions. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. So. Have a photo. Absolutely. Can we go to the site. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. Mountain Lions in Massachusetts Megafauna mania: our obsession with mountain lions and other large predators., Megafauna mania: our obsession with mountain lions and other large predators, Manchester installs monitors to track air quality disparities. Hawley: Yeah. There is no evidence of a reproducing mountain lion population in Massachusetts. Oh you saw him online. for some excitement. We mentioned that one cat that was hit by a car where it has it that it was a male looking for me. contact the Division of Fisheries and Wildlife. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. And really whenever you hear tiny code and long rope like tale it's kind of hard to pin this sighting on any other creature rather than an outline or just nothing else really matches that description. Can you look into this picture. Harrigan is 72 and lives just outside the northern New Hampshire town of Colebrook; he has a long, craggy face that seems almost to have molded itself after the mountainous landscape of his home state. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. Early in the morning. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. Thanks for your call. Squam Lake: Home of mountain lions - Concord Monitor They just end up in these places. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. I'm Peter B yellow. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board's Message Board So that did it for me. but won big 2night. Peter Biello: Ok. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. Caller: Yeah I hadn't experienced blastoff fall so this was around September and I was driving from Webster into Concord on Horse Hill Road and anybody in the area would know I was right near the Red Barn and all of a sudden this animal jumps out of the woods and it bounded across the road in about two two giant leaps and stopped in the field just on the other side. Much as I liked Ottmann and Betty, and much as I found some of their evidence compelling, I was struggling to reconcile their more provocative claims with the restraint expressed by the many other experts Id spoken with. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. And Im assuming whatever were doing right now, its not working. Think you've seen a mountain lion? Something along those lines. The engineers Dan Colgan our senior producer is Allan Grimm. I was aware, too, of how a certain mythology surrounding the animal had taken root in Vermonts culture and even its identity: The University of Vermonts athletic teams, for instance, are known as the Vermont Catamounts, and their logo features a snarling cat lunging through the cleft of a V.. And those and that's how you can go from a story that Pat says I have nothing to say about that to a story that you know could be the first verified sighting in over 100 years. Peter Biello: Well yeah. And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. You have permission to edit this article. The Connecticut mountain lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. Q: I recently read the book "The Scarlet Pimpernel" by Sir Percy Blakeney and was telling a friend about it, and she reminded me that it is also is a wildflower. He can be reached by phone at 860-275-7297 or by email: pskahill@ctpublic.org. His mention of these encounters was so matter-of-fact that I found myself nodding along. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. In 2011, the U.S. Caller: Oh yeah. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. Ottmann grew up and still lives just minutes from the tavern; his familiarity with the establishment was obvious (after we met in the parking lot, he led me into the building through the kitchen, greeting each of the staff by name). And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. And it was this curiosity that led me to the Old Well Tavern in Simsbury, Connecticut, at a time of day (11:30 a.m.) that does not normally find me ensconced in the dim confines of a drinking establishment. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways.
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