Such as The Church of Christ? Along with pioneer missionary William Carey, we believe The future is as bright as the promises of God!, Greater Portland Baptist Church is committed to making a difference in Portland and around the world. 14) before the Lord Jesus announced the coming establishment of the ekklesia. (Matt 16:18). It is my conviction that this is contrary to the very foundation of what is a true New Testament church. Thus, history and the doctrines of Protestantism clearly show that Baptists are not Protestants. I thought that this was the passage you were referring to. What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5 is ceremonial law. Im calling into question yourreasoning as to why you are defending your belief about tithing. Hi. WebSerious inquiry. is there any Independent Fundamental Baptist church preachers on Twitter?? There was a fine of 2000 pounds of tobacco for failure to have ones infant children baptized. Or, I hope that youve beaten your children today, 13Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. For example, Paul wrote letters to the churches, each being intended for one church, and then other churches used them and later they were accepted as fully inspired parts of Scripture. Giving ten percent to God is a good thing, I agree with that. I finally understood one day while reading Freedom of Mind by Steven Hassan that those feelings and thoughts are the result of brainwashing. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? He spoke aganist them leaving the others things undone. No tithing is not mandated, no good work is..just as no good work can save us. They tried to establish that according to history, Baptists have an unbroken line of churches since Christ. | Beautiful In His Time, perfection is not possible | Beautiful In His Time, finding healing and freedom in secular music | Beautiful In His Time, I will keep believing that God still has a plan | Beautiful In His Time, Modesty: a picture of grace | Beautiful In His Time, Disconnect: when God just doesnt seem relevant | Beautiful In His Time, Roses in the dumpster: seeing God in everyday life | Beautiful In His Time, Cheating on my church | Beautiful In His Time, Can you hear Jesus calling? I would love to chat further!!! You are doing exactly what Mark 7:7 speaks against, you are teaching false doctrines and commandments of men. Thanks for your response. Each week, families are strengthened, encouraged, and drawn closer to God as we worship together and are challenged to live for Christ in a sin-darkened world. 1. Part 6:What do Brad Pitt, Josh Groban, and Sleepless in Seattle have in common? WebRT @reachjulieroys: A former Baptist missionary has been found guilty of sexually abusing a 4-year-old, who tested positive for gonorrhea last April Jordan Webb, affiliated with an Independent Fundamental Baptist church, could face up to 32 years in prison at his sentencing. The Scripture: It is entirely inerrant and sufficient for all Christian life. Independent churches have no organized organization over them in authority. Also, name of church, you preach at. Hope that last wasnt too much personal info. Tithing preceded the OT Law. The bulk of your comments were about the historical background of the Church of Christ movement. The entire point of Matthew 15 is Jesus telling the Pharisees that the ceremonial laws were no longer needed since the reason for them (the cleansing of sin) was replaced with Christs eventual death on the cross. My sons group will be performing on the Indie stage at 10:00 am on July 1. 1 Peter 3:16, Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. My sister and I truly believe we grew up in a cult. Failure to pay the tax brought the wrath of the civil and church leaders and people were publicly beaten, placed in stocks, fined, imprisoned, and banished from the colony by the civil authorities under the direction of the Puritan church officials. The idea the bread and wine (grape juice) in the Lords Supper becoming the physical body of Christ when taken is a Roman Catholic teaching that Protestants only changed slightly. 3:2) for Jews who were preparing for coming Messiah and Kingdom God had promised them. By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. Well said!!! He has been an alcoholic, had been sexually abused in a Catholic orphanage, had lost his family, and had lost everything. Praise the Lord she started going back to church recently. Baptists, including IFB Baptists, are all deceived. I doubt I would be allowed to wear Just a Speedo to any Church on a regular basis. It cannot be stated too often that the importance of these churches was not in their name, but in what they believed and practiced. He is light years away from the legalism of the last church, but holds tightly to the KJV (too tightly I think) but is not fanatical like the last pastor. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such things as evangelism. Soft Separatism and the Downfall of Many Independent Baptist Churches But Im pretty sure we can agree that If I showed up to your Church naked i would probably not be allowed in. Both are true and one doesnt cancel out the other. I see through to the intensions of this site. You know, when you really dig into many religions you find much of mans tradition. You place too much value on modern denominational history. Soul liberty is a belief that everyone is responsible to God individually. Mean To Be An "Independent" Baptist During my IFB wilderness wanderings I often doubted if I was saved. I think most people would agree with me on this. Thank you for sharing your journey! When we arrive in heaven we are going to be surprised not only by who is there, but by who isnt there. Our merch store is full of great items to help show your support for The RFP! These first Baptist churches formed in England were Armenian in theology, which taught that all men could be saved. Yes we only use KJV (I perosnally like it better myself because I like the Shakespeareanesque vernacular versus modern but thats a personal choice). What you have to do is develop your own way of fellowshipping with people, worshiping God and your own personal relationship with Christ apart from the IFB while remembering that you are free from the dangerous teachings of the IFB. A nother reason why I am convinced that the average fundamental Baptist church will be well down the emerging path within 20 years is the prevalence of soft separatism. Soft separatism is a separatism that is ineffective to protect the Lords people from spiritual dangers. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? The way a Christian dresses should be governed by their love for Christ and other people, not by rules imposed by a religious authority to make one look righteous. I feel distant and I feel it is affecting my relationship with my husband. A side note, my sons group In Search Of Reason has been selected to play for CreationFest this year. Lynne, This again cannot be proven from history. I really dont know how to describe it. Right down to exactly a tenth. The Gospel is to be preached throughout the world by believers empowered by the Holy Spirit as Acts 1:8 plainly states. -Ray, My church preaches those five points and we are an IFB church. Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. WebThe modern Independent Baptist tradition began in the late 19th and early 20th centuries among local denominational Baptist congregations whose members were concerned about the advancement of modernism and liberalism into national Baptist denominations and conventions in the United States and the United Kingdom.. Jesus as clearly as the Son of God could tells us says (John 6:37-39,43 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. I have seen corruption and manipulation like you wouldnt believe. A New Generation of Independent Baptists: An Open Letter It became an independent church in 1746. The first time I listened to the RFP 3 years ago, I met it with skepticism. Im all about modest clothing, but I cant tell you how many sermons I have sat through where the man of God railed against women wearing slacks. They will not participate, on a church basis, or any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. I only know of two. I often took the collection and served at the Lords table; then I stopped wearing a tie, and dressed more casually, and instead of the pastor asking me why my appearance had changed, I was ignored and was not asked to officiate in any church activities during the service. IMO, this is is baptist deception at its absolute worst. People sin, and people attend churches. Some Baptist churches believe in a succession of Baptist churches who passed down the authority to baptize and give the Lords Supper. For example, G.L. To the lady dont feel guilty, find a church where there are like minded people and you will feel closer to God ever. I find your post rather disturbing, but what I find most disturbing is your use of scripture. WebA former Baptist missionary has been found guilty of sexually abusing a 4-year-old, who tested positive for gonorrhea last April Jordan Webb, affiliated with an Independent Fundamental Baptist church, could face up to 32 years in He then began to ask me questions and we had a good conversation centered around God from there on. A preacher told me once we were not to judge, but that we were to be fruit inspectors. Im here to tell you, however, that the confusion you have is due to the IFBs retention and manipulation tactics. Have a look at Matthew 15. WebRT @reachjulieroys: A former Baptist missionary has been found guilty of sexually abusing a 4-year-old, who tested positive for gonorrhea last April Jordan Webb, affiliated with an Independent Fundamental Baptist church, could face up to 32 years in prison at his sentencing. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. We preach modest clothing (unfortunatly most of the girls at my church dont adhere to it in that they wear skirts that expose all but a few inches of the upper leg). Trying to hold onto a past I knew was unfulfilling, but too scared to embrace a future of grace. http://www.nakedpastor.com/2011/01/27/total-unaccountable-power/. In 1606, after nine months of soul-searching and study of the New Testament he was convinced that the doctrines and practices of the Church of England were not Biblical, and thus he resigned as priest and left the church. If only people would study more to know the voice of their Savior, there would be no one to follow the false teachers. Bob Just want to commend you on how clearly you are able to elucidate on a given topic, Im envious. They were tired. The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. Would you agree with me on this? Hope this clears up some confusion. It is well to note that not all Virginians felt this way. clarity/dont want to lieas far as experiences at churche sin regards to Tithing: I practiced tithing at former Non-Den churchPAastor explained tithing, giving & offering I think & wa sclear not mandatory but reallywhy tenth onlyactual giving by restricting only seemed to be what I learned from thatits all His. An interesting read. In response to the concerns, @Saved By Grace 4:11) or leader of the congregation. Many Anabaptists churches were strong New Testament churches believing and following the Word of God. Thanks and may God bless. These five distinctive beliefs separate the true Baptists from other groups who have mistakenly taken the name Baptist and all non New Testament churches such as the Protestants. Proverbs 21:24, Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath. Tonights meet in the 94-degree heat might kill me, but at least Ill be going out hydrated and with a pretty cooler. You stated that all churches tithe a certain way and used that fact to justify a way of thinking. It has in fact. Desire your best & healing in Lord Jesus if not. Using the KJV only is not the problem. The first church was founded there in 1688, in Middletown and was made up of many who had fled persecution in the other colonies. Thanks but addressed all points. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) is a loosely-affiliated, cultish denomination of Christian fundamentalists. I am divorced, and I always sit in the front rows. We were racing another afternoon/evening of forecasted thunderstorms as well as working in 90+ degree heat and (currently) 57% humidity. When the Roman Emperor declared Christianity the religion of Rome, he in mass converted hordes of pagans which made up the Empire. Learn more about the education opportunities for your children at Greater Portland Christian Academy. I apologize for my assumptions! Not because of how we dress but by who we are. WebA former Baptist missionary has been found guilty of sexually abusing a 4-year-old, who tested positive for gonorrhea last April Jordan Webb, affiliated with an Independent Hi Ahlayashabi Please forgive us if we have offended you in any way. As a matter of fact, you cannot be a member of a Calvary Chapel. Although the Roman Catholic Church claims him as one of their saints, there is no evidence he even knew the Catholic church existed. He strongly believed in separation of church and state and upheld the principles of soul liberty. 7) divorce as the unpardonable sin you can be forgiven if you kill someone, or if you have been saved from a homosexual lifestyle, but God help you if you have been divorced, they will still let you come to the meetings but you have to set on the back row. Secessionism is the gross error of Catholicism. We have several people who are leaving our church. Nowhere in the Bible do I see that Christians are recognized by their clothing. You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. than we pray that they will get right with God They wanted to bring reform to the Church of England. Being to poor to pay the fines he was banished from the colony. Just curious. (Sorry) (: To only teach from the New Testament and ignoring the old is not using the whole Word of God. Yes, we do preach not to be unequally yolked with non-belivers and I agree with that. So BJ, cry out to Jesus, and tell Him your concerns and troubles. I am an IFB. It sounds like you believe that we are not required to tithe, but somehow we are better off if we do? I feel that means I have arrived at some inexplicable motherhood milestone. Are you (or someone you know) a perfect person for us to interview on the podcast? I basically grew up in this church and when I was in my 20s, I began to feel that something was off. Fortunately my current pastor, though still somewhat legalistic, has studied and understands that tithing was for Jews under the old covenant/law, Im just hoping he keeps studying about some other issues, but you know all of us are learning and growing (hopefully). [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. I commented that some of the teen girls were dressed entirely innappropriately with tiny shorts, which were very immodest, so there certainly should be a standard for modesty. Some years ago when I was attempting to find another church for my family to attend so as to escape a spiritually abusive IFB, I found myself at a Church of Christ that had split from the large COC in town. I would prefer just wearing casual clothes like I do just about every time. Independent You could mean those persons or churches which held to the Baptists beliefs although they may not have called themselves Baptists. Baptists with other citizens were taxed to support the Episcopal church. As I grew up and the years passed, I found myself on active duty in the U.S. Navy. It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. What does the Bible say about the way Christians should dress? I liken this to attending a Bible study without your Bible. And I dont study my Bible enough and would say no one does. 7.) It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. either. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day., Based on the Word of God, I submit to you that Gods plan will not be thwarted because I fail to do something. Ive experienced this kind of power over and over again in the church. We have special music and usually 2 preachers a night. That local body of baptized believers would be as valid a true New Testament church as any church Christ ever founded. Thats a truly awesome thing! I would agree with this. I meant to say that I agree that the IFB has strict dress standards. Im not exaggerating when I say that this is physically the hardest and most exhausting day Ive had in years. I would directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct. I am the daughter of an IFB missionary/evangelist, sister of an IFB pastor, and granddaughter of an IFB pastor. Don't want any frauds! We left the IFB church earlier this year. 53, Cornhill, 1813, Fundamental Baptist CD ROM Library, 1701 Harns Rd. The word Independent means that the church is not a member of any council, convention or is a part of any hierarchy outside the local congregation. I am so encouraged and continue to be reaffirmed in our decision as I meet and talk to others who have awakened to the truth of Grace and Legalism.