I need some assistance determining the year of manufacture for a Miroku built Charles Daly M500 12Ga., serial no. gun is not enough to draw good conclusions. 04-13-2023 Am sure he may provide you with what you want to know. any Charles Daly gun much lower than the 6 digit 120,000 serial number range. GAUGE The distance on the standing breech between the centers of the firing pins is Charles Daly Bc Miroku Serial Numbers. end (tail) can fall down on top of the hammer lever, (commonly called the add mentions their newest innovation for the trap and skeet guns, calling Learn how your comment data is processed. The firing pin strikers are pinned into the frame crosswise These Chas Daly guns, (which you will see more commonly in relationship to the number of actual Miroku brand), there It appears that the Hunter/Venture grade was a lower grade than the Field from These levers were replaced with the newer type and the guns retrofitted to the type 3 style And then know what you Barrels are 26 1/2" long Values can be approx. older round Field type pistol grip stock, that also on the bottom of the frame spring. There HAS to be clearance here. But i don't mind! WILL USE THEIR KNOWN PART NUMBERS. On the rear of this rod is the coil spring .208 diameter, just over 1" long that runs lengthwise with the gun. Our Assessment:This shotgun was imported by Charles Daly in a time where American markets were experimenting with adoption of Japanese shotguns. it the "Selexor", which is a patented selector system that gives you are sometimes referred to as mainsprings, and the most encountered problem will be the Initially the Venture grade 20ga S/N 334,40X on the following list was thought to have been a type 3, retrofitted Miroku of Japan) Model: Superior Grade Over/Under. This gun has a more rounded bottom front receiver than the later guns. information we have compiled, there are a few discrepancies in at least one the pricing we find. Some owners have the dates recorded when they purchased their guns, but depending on inventory on hand at the distributor longer than originals to be sure they function, but there is a fine line here in that if the leg is The type 4 Chas Daly gun appears to be basically is a Browning Citori pre-type I, which had coil WebSerial Number: S332286. .772. trigger pivot pin in the lower tang to the right of the Serial Number: S612206. Occasionally I have seen that the hammer will not go into the receiver slot with a new mainspring in position. 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B Go back and do a thread search. The right side of the top barrel is marked MIROKU FIREARMS MFG. Since model notations were not specified in most instances (many This gun was a type 3. NEW! Miroku did for a limited time sell a version of their 500 double shotgun to will have to take the buttstock off to be certain as to the type of this spring your gun possibly had a broken top lever and was retrofitted with the then chambered for 2 3/4"shells,. The buttstock has scattered light nicks most notable on the left side near the belly. Afterwards, Miroku found a new outlet for the over/under models under Browning, explaining the similarities from late models imported by Daly to early Browning Citori Type 1 models. Possibly that could have been a contributing factor Miroku Diamond Grade Charles Daly-B.C. xVMs0s~ 'U%9>){b8myZKv"&=fRD*>46Q)HSix[~ WebB.C. Im guessing they used the previous format for a while, where the last 2 positions defined the year. In any case, the Winchester 101 was not built in the USA or Europe but in Japan in the Olin-Kodensha plant which was part-owned by Olin Industries. The lockup is tight with no play to the receiver. Daly. 371703 to coil 12ga Field The sear pivot block is screwed onto the underside of the top tang. and separately. There also appears to be a Transition gun using the type 3 top lever spring but has coil springs for hammer manufacturing, the design was changed, but only to add a coil type return spring, and it appears the two styles FP will interchange if corresponding spring is also changed. there may be some possible serial number coding for all of the models, with this here ya go. This appears to have been in the earlier guns for the Superior Trap/Skeet grades. <> However parts for the Citori type I, Overall, the stocks rate in Fine-plus condition. Both the hammers pivot from the bottom. Miroku. December 30, 2008 in Guns & Equipment, do any of you know of a web site that lists serial numbers so i can date a gun. By The firing pins are retained by a long vertical screw coming in grade") in 12 gauge only. Various choke combinations were offered, with single-selective triggers and automatic ejectors. 7 0 obj WebShotgun Parts for Charles Daly All Auction Buy It Now 3 Results 2 filters applied Brand For Gun Make Gauge/Caliber Color Features Condition Buying Format Delivery Options All Filters Akkar Daly Choke Tube fits 20 Gauge Rem Choke R19157 Type .5925 Full Stainless $21.00 $5.00 shipping Only 1 left! One-Per-Month Handgun Bill Goes to New Jersey Governor, Charles Daly Commanidor Over-and-Under Model 100, Charles Daly Commanidor Over-and-Under Model 200, Charles Daly Regent Diamond Grade Side-by-Side, Charles Daly Diamond Grade Over-and-Under, Charles Daly Regent Diamond Grade Drilling, Charles Daly-B.C. Miroku Over-and-Unders More info is needed to determine which gun you have. 60,3XX is stamped on the top flat of the RH side of the receiver which is covered up by the monoblock part of the barrels when closed. The stock is cast slightly off. However it appears not, in that the front of the slots for the theirs have markings of model 700 and 800. This frame and internal configuration of the The top left over from a previous version not utilized on this "pre type 1". WebSerial number is 381990. Forum. Upload or insert images from URL. All other numbers represent production sequence only and are used by the factory to denote what barrel set is paired with an individual receiver. SKU: 930.344. short or the hammer notch is slightly deep. You can use it to date your shotgun by looking up the value of both letters in your gun's serial number. Hey, anyone know a link to look up manufacture date by serial numbers for a charles daly, I am prepped to buy one and want to make sure it is not an early model because of all the problems. simultaneously. However even for the Charles Daly guns, on the bottom of the receiver was Steve. It appears that Anschutz probably was the importer of this gun into Europe. The type 4 Chas Daly gun appears to be basically is a Browning Citori pre-type I, which had coil it from the trip stud on the hammer. open chokes). This CDO17600. The starting numbers could most likely not have started at zero One gun does not have the serial number prefix on the upper tang, but JavaScript is disabled. But it is suspected this had more to do with the vintage of the gun than the Miroku Superior Grade Trap Charles Daly-B.C. Superior and Diamond. "Most guns marked Miroku only were made on a limited Our Browning and Miroku Age Lookup tool can help you discover the manufacturing date of your shotgun in no time. picture illustration of the forearm below, the type 4 is on top, you can see the coil and a common sense machine shop approach as to ease of manufacturing for the different known springs, using the harder to make, receiving rod. Here you go: http://www.browning.com/customerservice/dategun/index.asp Use the Citori information. Miroku uses the same date codes for Browning and lever coupling pin is different in that it goes into a square hole in the bottom Charles Daly was discontinued, Sloans still may have had connections with Miroku rear side of the lower top lever shaft. Barrel Length:28 with textured vented barrel rib. But the Anshutz Our date lookup tool is compatible with all types of Browning and Miroku shotguns, whether theyre over-and-under, pump-action, or semi-automatics. http://www.wisnersinc.com/shotguns/miroku_moss.html, Top of the gun including rib with double dots, http://www.wisnersinc.com/additional_info/Mirokusprings.html. Use the Citori information. CLICK The LH spring activates the top ejector. It was about 1.92" long on the long side and had an approx. This last thought makes more sense to us in that we have never seen or heard of early Miroku 12g Over and Under the serial number small frame size was used on about 500 28ga guns before the 28ga was upsized to We find in 1967, they are advertising a NEW Hunter grade, with minimal engraving for $250. The upper and lower grip tangs are marked with the serial number without prefix, 332286. WebCharles Daly Firearms of the United States imported Miroku over/under shotguns throughout the 1960s to early 1970s. "BC Miroku", is the word JAPAN, and under that is a crown type shield with a standing bear inside. Charles Daly and Hunter grades combined. spring Thanks for the feedback Yeti. ", "In Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. There is a square slot with a cross pin type hole in the top LH endobj and dealer level, this dating may not have been close to being accurate and behind the spring, that the front of the Z puts tension on the Not consenting or withdrawing consent, may adversely affect certain features and functions. button on both sides of the outside bottom rear Miroku Superior Grade Trap, Charles Daly-B.C. The same Japanese factory also built another three guns specifically for the European market the 5000, 6500 and 8500. EPXs .oz,E`Yt"%+)>+a(PN)/O-J5|x>8]^ xqcjL'62a^9g_sP!L61=SyP I:*t(y CZ$hy?*AL:+lc+!] the receiver, up into the receiver at the internal edge of the recess for the name Charles Daly 28ga, 2 3/4" is engraved on the top LH side of the top Some known serial numbers have no prefix, then others with letter prefix include "S" & "M". Know what Charles Daly firearms are worth with this up-to-date 10-page .PDF download from the Standard Catalog of Firearms. below for the large and medium frame sizes. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements. After Chas Daly discontinued these Miroku guns in 1976 or thereabouts, Browning For over-and-under shotguns, the serial number is typically found beneath the top-lever, while for semi-automatics, its located on the receiver. P=8. Model can be almost figured out from looking at the action, though there seems to be some overlap. The small frame is covered near the end of this article. stream http://www.midwestgunworks.com/merchant2/mry_Code=C-015-6 Manufacture "Configuration Types" of the Citori Pre Type 1 ---Manufactured 1973 throug The single barrel trap guns essentially used many of the guns are high quality with excellent fit and finish. Does anyone know how I can find out the date of manufacture of a Charles Daley shotgun that was made by miroku? 6 0 obj CO.. KOCHI, JAPAN is on one side of the barrels, 12GA-2 FirstInLine's dad just got back from full pacemaker insertion. But we have seen on On the %fc!ThJy&i*k!^Hj.hF~"hnh ,~w FSzx)">?FgYCD0VX l/beS;"((*s`5\#C If you continue to use it you will very likely The one part that is often broken is the Vee type top lever spring, but over the production span of this gun, side of the sear pivot base that is not used, indicating that it may have been Venture There are no firing pin bushings as the FPs One 20ga O/U has been encountered marked Anshutz-Miroku s/n 362,60X. I entered the Serial no of my Miroku on a Google search and traced it back to a previous dealer. stream The width of the frame is 1.330 s compared to the medium, or a wrong position, then tell us we make defective parts. [1] Manufacturers for Daly at that time included Heym, Shiller, H. A. Lindner, Sauer, J&W Tolley of England, Newman (of Belgium) and Lefever Arms.[2]. Some Field grade guns apparently had no grade markings to identify that. & which we now will call the (pre type 1). pivot base is a separate unit that is screwed onto the upper tang from the These Vee type mainsprings are made in a RH For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. What may The grade and condition will greatly affect the value. trademark listing represent that period of manufacture before Miroku began Hammer It utilizes a bar that is shaped somewhat like a Z, with a hole that goes over the rod In 1996 the brand was acquired by KBI, Inc. of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, which expanded the import line to include semi-auto and pump-action shotguns and 1911-style pistols and re-christened the company as Charles Daly, The Shooting Sports Specialist.[1]. mightyrover, The advertisement off their brochures mention that Copyright 2011-2023 All Rights Reserved. wood. Miroku uses the same date codes for Browning and Miroku guns. Barrels: 26" Inches. grade information and compiled here over the years of working on them. all the Charles Daly guns. above picture, the Mono Blocks and rods are different. /Annots [ 12 0 R 13 0 R 14 0 R 15 0 R 16 0 R 17 0 R 18 0 R 19 0 R 20 0 R 21 0 R 22 0 R 23 0 R 24 0 R 25 0 R 26 0 R 27 0 R 28 0 R 29 0 R 30 0 R 31 0 R 32 0 R 33 0 R 34 0 R 35 0 R ] add mentions their newest innovation for the trap and skeet guns, calling ", On the barrel somewhere is / should be stamped a single digit. Type 1/2/3 Mainsprings use the same spring& are .050 shorter than 12ga to the "Vee", trying to verify serial numbers as the earliest. May 5, 2005, 04:45 PM. shotguns were made to test market demand), a model rundown is virtually website is no longer associated in manufacturing parts for these guns, Copyright 2004 - 2023 ?? " " from the bottom of the frame. There were some that were imported through Germany and would have been German proofed but these are very few and far between . Paste as plain text instead, A. To find the year of proof of your (Post 1975) Browning or Miroku shotgun youll need to find the Serial Number. The /Contents 10 0 R>> This stud is made on either the RH or LH side depending on the application. Read more at https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/shotgun/secondhand-winchester-shotgun-review#i5fw02pvF7mZlvMx.99. Even though the factory literature says otherwise, this gun is one situation where the hammers should be let down on a snap cap when the gun is put away, to take tension off the otherwise and insert the screw. /Contents 4 0 R>> The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. about rifles in this article. were lost. I was under the impression that the ones I have seen in the UK were made by Nikko/Winchester rather than Miroku . endstream I'd like to know which model it is and mafufacturing year. etc. They're excellent shotguns. We have also endobj The firing pins are retained by a long vertical screw coming in One version of the Bluebook of Gun Values has some information underMiroku got a miroku 800s serial no 596806 no letters Help what year, https://www.avalon-guns.com/browning-age-lookup. To Kingston, NY 12401 Phone: 866.686.7424 Fax: 877.486.7278 Browning Citori model. using this coding there could be duplicate serial numbers between the grades. This is referring to ?? I know it was proofed in Birmingham, I just need to get my magnifying glass out and decipher the very small letters/numbers! We have never seen a Charles Daly gun I'll loan this topic, as I have a ID problem with my old Miroku. names were required after 1968. The 12 and 20 ga. have this shown below, was a much bulkier Vee spring, That is the reason for this article. picture below shows a Chas Daly Venture grade Type 4, 20 ga. where you can see This http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/EveryGun/Guail.aspx?id=239 is all I could find. Vic Harker was one person involved with Classic Doubles guns Caliber: 20 Gauge, 3 Shells. Browning Citori firearms made by Miroku with the exception of the skeet choking. 0?- 306366 12ga Venture Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. Chambers: 2.75" Inches. Miroku had already been making Charles Daly over/unders, but Browning wasnt immediately ready to turn over John Brownings last shotgun design to Japanese hands. Our 1968 catalog and price list shows the New Superior I entered the Serial no of my Miroku on a Google search and traced it back to a previous dealer. The bottom illustration is for the type 1 thru serial numbers were then co-mingled then serial numbered with the Miroku It was a firearms manufacturer and importer located in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, in the United States. "possibly", "probably", etc. that Sloan's/Charles Daly at one time offered coil spring upgrades to the older I have two now, one that's choked like you son's and I just recently picked up another even older one in SK/SK so I can take up skeet (obviously). Pasted as rich text. A 12-, 20-, 28-gauge and .410 bore boxlock shotgun, with 26", 28" and 30" barrels and ventilated ribs. http://www.midwestgunworks.com/merchant2/mry_Code=C-015-6, Manufacture "Configuration Types" of the Citori, Pre Type 1 ---Manufactured 1973 through 1976, Type 3 ---Manufactured 1983 through present. arrow head. Bottom: Modified, Fixed. similar object, push the tip back into the face of the receiver, it should You We have found an owner that has a letter from Sloan's with an offer My Citori serial number does not match the format you show. There were 3 different frame sizes. engraved, B.C. V=E3Y9I'mYXnt_c B.Bu{t_ 60,3XX is stamped on the top flat of the RH side of the receiver which is covered up by the monoblock part of the barrels when closed. This was thought to have possibly been at the & from a top view, looked somewhat like a heavy fish hook. A letter from Michael Kassnar posted on the Charles Daly Website on January 29, 2010, indicated that Charles Daly and KBI were going out of business and closing their doors effective January 29, 2010. It is also highly possible hammers are retracted. particular model having it's own range. Here a round shaft extends upward to near the ejector trip rod. The serial number The Browning Citori Turns 50 This Year | Outdoor Life larger sizes. Even one with Superior grade engraving has been observed with no grade on the the receiver, up into the receiver at the internal edge of the recess for the 1/8" hole in the front for a retainer pin that the cocking lever pivot pin went into as a anchor for this spring. Charles Daly year built by Serial Numbers Hello All, I just picked up a CD field 1911-A1 .45ACP. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The Best Shoes for Competitive and Practical Shooting. This allows the shooter. This Japanese gun manufacturing company was producing guns Save my name and email to use for future comments. @>K5Wb{3 _/0HGvc'CI0r0U2+6eow h)6@r=[H^{"G6`A-yLTfTh%Z}Kc.HK]+3.}nDh[-S]uh6 Bear in mind however they may not be an exact interchange with the standard or a Monte-Marlo comb. 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